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OH GOD, THIS.

Stallers and evasion spam really, really take the fun out of Pokemon. Really. I want my Pokemon to have a chance, while giving the opponent their own.
that's why my team is made of really slow sweepers with terribad defense
Dec 30th, 2012quote
The evasion clause is decently respected online from what I've seen, but it's annoying as fuck in-game. For instance in Black Tower I ran into a Vileplume with Double Team, Ingrain, Giga Drain, and Toxic. Holy fuck. Took me 45 minutes for that thing to finally take two consecutive hits and die. If not for my Drapion I likely would've blacked out.
Dec 31st, 2012quote
I'm good with the clause as far as competitive goes. It's fair.

but I actually enjoy the challenge when it's in-game. Sure I get my ass kicked, but whatever.
Dec 31st, 2012quote
focus sash and counter
Dec 31st, 2012quote
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focus sash and counter

If that is your idea of a counter for double team, counter is just as likely to miss as any other move.
Dec 31st, 2012quote
The thing is, Drizzle exists. As does Thunder. If it is raining, then Modest Thunderus-T can wreck this Metagross, easily 2HKOing with its mighty STAB perfect-accuracy Thunder. Lucky, considering permanent rain is pretty darn common in both OU and Ubers.

Also, the odds of hitting through multiple evasion boosts is actually quite high, considering boosting evasion to +6 with Double Team is statistically a terrible idea. Even at +6, Metagross is far from invincible. If the OHKO Clause test taught us anything, it's that low accuracy is easily compensated by lots of attempts. Metagross is nothing but a target when it's wasting turns boosting evasion or even Defense.

Finally, Double Team requires sacrificing a valuble moveslot. This means that Metagross will likely be destroyed early on by a wise opponent (who does not need to be nearly as lucky as Metagross). Common OU and Uber Steel-types in general take a dump on this set, because Metagross has no method of recovery outside of Leftovers. That is, unless counting on absurd amounts of luck is something you are willing to bet a Pokémon on. In that case, I'd love to know how that whole winning-the-lottery thing is going.

(ok I'm done)
Jan 1st, 2013quote
I'm beginning to wonder whether or not I should be happy I don't do competitive yet.
Jan 1st, 2013quote
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The thing is, Drizzle exists. As does Thunder. If it is raining, then Modest Thunderus-T can wreck this Metagross, easily 2HKOing with its mighty STAB perfect-accuracy Thunder. Lucky, considering permanent rain is pretty darn common in both OU and Ubers.

Also, the odds of hitting through multiple evasion boosts is actually quite high, considering boosting evasion to +6 with Double Team is statistically a terrible idea. Even at +6, Metagross is far from invincible. If the OHKO Clause test taught us anything, it's that low accuracy is easily compensated by lots of attempts. Metagross is nothing but a target when it's wasting turns boosting evasion or even Defense.

Finally, Double Team requires sacrificing a valuble moveslot. This means that Metagross will likely be destroyed early on by a wise opponent (who does not need to be nearly as lucky as Metagross). Common OU and Uber Steel-types in general take a dump on this set, because Metagross has no method of recovery outside of Leftovers. That is, unless counting on absurd amounts of luck is something you are willing to bet a Pokémon on. In that case, I'd love to know how that whole winning-the-lottery thing is going.

(ok I'm done)

But that's wrong. In the rain, thunder is 100% accuracy, not a guaranteed hit. It is just as effected as a normal move at that poin.
Jan 1st, 2013quote
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The thing is, Drizzle exists. As does Thunder. If it is raining, then Modest Thunderus-T can wreck this Metagross, easily 2HKOing with its mighty STAB perfect-accuracy Thunder. Lucky, considering permanent rain is pretty darn common in both OU and Ubers.

Also, the odds of hitting through multiple evasion boosts is actually quite high, considering boosting evasion to +6 with Double Team is statistically a terrible idea. Even at +6, Metagross is far from invincible. If the OHKO Clause test taught us anything, it's that low accuracy is easily compensated by lots of attempts. Metagross is nothing but a target when it's wasting turns boosting evasion or even Defense.

Finally, Double Team requires sacrificing a valuble moveslot. This means that Metagross will likely be destroyed early on by a wise opponent (who does not need to be nearly as lucky as Metagross). Common OU and Uber Steel-types in general take a dump on this set, because Metagross has no method of recovery outside of Leftovers. That is, unless counting on absurd amounts of luck is something you are willing to bet a Pokémon on. In that case, I'd love to know how that whole winning-the-lottery thing is going.

(ok I'm done)

But that's wrong. In the rain, thunder is 100% accuracy, not a guaranteed hit. It is just as effected as a normal move at that point.

self fix
Jan 1st, 2013quote
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The thing is, Drizzle exists. As does Thunder. If it is raining, then Modest Thunderus-T can wreck this Metagross, easily 2HKOing with its mighty STAB perfect-accuracy Thunder. Lucky, considering permanent rain is pretty darn common in both OU and Ubers.

Also, the odds of hitting through multiple evasion boosts is actually quite high, considering boosting evasion to +6 with Double Team is statistically a terrible idea. Even at +6, Metagross is far from invincible. If the OHKO Clause test taught us anything, it's that low accuracy is easily compensated by lots of attempts. Metagross is nothing but a target when it's wasting turns boosting evasion or even Defense.

Finally, Double Team requires sacrificing a valuble moveslot. This means that Metagross will likely be destroyed early on by a wise opponent (who does not need to be nearly as lucky as Metagross). Common OU and Uber Steel-types in general take a dump on this set, because Metagross has no method of recovery outside of Leftovers. That is, unless counting on absurd amounts of luck is something you are willing to bet a Pokémon on. In that case, I'd love to know how that whole winning-the-lottery thing is going.

(ok I'm done)

But that's wrong. In the rain, thunder is 100% accuracy, not a guaranteed hit. It is just as effected as a normal move at that poin.

Ummm not sure what you're trying to say here. It's an indisputable fact that Thunder never misses in rain.
Jan 2nd, 2013quote
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But that's wrong. In the rain, thunder is 100% accuracy, not a guaranteed hit. It is just as effected as a normal move at that poin.

Ummm not sure what you're trying to say here. It's an indisputable fact that Thunder never misses in rain.

That's incorrect.
Jan 17th, 2013quote
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Ummm not sure what you're trying to say here. It's an indisputable fact that Thunder never misses in rain.

That's incorrect.

I think you'll find it's correct.
Sep 4th, 2013quote
Also if you give Machamp Quick Claw it should be able to out speed Metagross
Sep 4th, 2013quote
It's only a game, why you have to be mad?
Jun 9th, 2014quote




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